tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3185294584889963228.post532483966338989938..comments2024-02-22T17:59:50.213-05:00Comments on in so many words...: Overlooked (or Forgotten) Film Tuesday: MURDER SHE SAID (1961) starring Margaret RutherfordYvettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08919246184376538331noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3185294584889963228.post-3554752565682275712017-03-30T11:42:11.412-04:002017-03-30T11:42:11.412-04:00I suspected it was dubbed! Ronnie was older than h...I suspected it was dubbed! Ronnie was older than he looked. He was 15 when he filmed Murder She Said. Some young men's voices change at that age, and while some are hardly noticeable, some are really squeaky. Or perhaps they needed a younger voice. Perhaps that might have been it--the actor who dubbed him was Martin Stephens who was four years younger than Raymond. Raymond gives a great performance physically if not vocally! He became an undertaker after he quit acting.Lydia Gracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13492920802854500277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3185294584889963228.post-18973815410668381172015-12-10T15:52:44.104-05:002015-12-10T15:52:44.104-05:00Hi, Jackie. I'm with you. I love the old man, ...Hi, Jackie. I'm with you. I love the old man, especially. James Robertson Justice was usually a delight. This movie is on my Christmas list. If Santa doesn't deliver, then I'll get it for myself next month. :)Yvettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08919246184376538331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3185294584889963228.post-65763177117503631482015-12-10T15:51:04.981-05:002015-12-10T15:51:04.981-05:00Hi, Elena. I never did like Geraldine McEwan's...Hi, Elena. I never did like Geraldine McEwan's version at all. But I love Joan Hickson (she was actually selected by Christie to play Miss Marple). I also love Margaret Rutherford, though, as you say, the movies have little to do with the Miss Marple in the books. But they are still fun.Yvettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08919246184376538331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3185294584889963228.post-15770972310018798832015-12-09T17:15:31.856-05:002015-12-09T17:15:31.856-05:00If the Ackenthorpe family had really existed, I wo...If the Ackenthorpe family had really existed, I would want to know them. I have the DVD, and I watch the movie several times a year, because I love the characters, the grandfather, the lad, Lucy, and that dog! Ha ha, anyone can tell that dog is a sweetheart. I remember Murder She Said on the marquee in our town back in 1965. I wish my mother and I had gone to see it. She was working as a live-in housekeeper at that time and would have loved it.JackieFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14730828084330862498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3185294584889963228.post-43644254474164589752015-01-02T09:09:05.932-05:002015-01-02T09:09:05.932-05:00As a big Agatha Christie fan, I fully agree with e...As a big Agatha Christie fan, I fully agree with everything you wrote - you can't watch Margaret Rutherford's movies expecting to see the "real" Miss Marple, but they're simply amazing as they are (that is: something much different from the book). I have bought the DVDs of all the Miss Marple series I know of and it has been incredibly fun to watch Margareth Rutherford's version, and right after it Joan Hickson's version. Both are WONDERFUL. I am going to watch Geraldine McEwan's version tonight - I wonder if it will be up to the other two!Elena T.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07225051293421942334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3185294584889963228.post-55563979592468183422013-04-20T05:50:40.921-04:002013-04-20T05:50:40.921-04:00I regret to say that the voice of Ronnie Raymond i...I regret to say that the voice of Ronnie Raymond in 1961 film 'Murder She Said' is not that of Olive Gregg as previously suggested.<br />It is the voice of Michael Stephens who featured in the 1960 film 'Village of the damned'. This is easily confirmed if you see this actor in the 1958 film 'Harry Black and the tiger'. His voice is so distinctive. harveyshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3185294584889963228.post-85996215296499689892012-08-31T15:24:26.150-04:002012-08-31T15:24:26.150-04:00Hello,
I,too love this film ,but for the train seq...Hello,<br />I,too love this film ,but for the train sequences. I have been doing some research into The A6 Murder in August 1961 and find The Old Station Inn at Taplow was used as a location for one of the Margaret Rutherford A.Cs films.<br />Do you know when the film clips around Taplow were actually taken?<br /><br />Best Regards,<br />Mike Smith.Mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3185294584889963228.post-74538908986035915262012-02-27T13:31:08.032-05:002012-02-27T13:31:08.032-05:00It just occurred to me, Sergio, that they should h...It just occurred to me, Sergio, that they should have dubbed Arthur Kennedy as well, as long as they were in the mood. :)<br /><br />He is simply awful. I was never a bit Arthur Kennedy fan to begin with. He always seemed such a lout to me. Ha!Yvettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08919246184376538331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3185294584889963228.post-27138486433406813592012-02-25T13:04:08.448-05:002012-02-25T13:04:08.448-05:00Sergio, where would I be without you? Thanks for t...Sergio, where would I be without you? Thanks for the correction on Rutherford's Oscar. I did check on it later and discovered my memory mistake but forgot to correct myself. :)<br /><br />Olive Gregg. Now, the funny thing is, she sounds like a boy. And another funny thing is that that voice is one of my favorite things about the movie. It suits Ronnie very VERY well. Though I can't help wondering what his own voice sounded like. :)<br /><br />Maybe this movie influenced him to undertake undertaking. :)Yvettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08919246184376538331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3185294584889963228.post-74610197268984403162012-02-25T04:41:53.596-05:002012-02-25T04:41:53.596-05:00PS Did a bit of internet digging to refresh my mem...PS Did a bit of internet digging to refresh my memory - it appears that he was dubbed by voice artist 'Olive Gregg', who also duvbbed one of the boys in CHILDREN OF THE DAMNED. Apparently the actor, who si still very much around, went into the undertaking business and is now retired. Thought you'd enjoy a bit of extra trivia!<br /><br />SergioSergio (Tipping My Fedora)http://bloodymurder.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3185294584889963228.post-91097541226866421782012-02-25T04:33:23.045-05:002012-02-25T04:33:23.045-05:00Hello Yvette - Well, I can't prove it, but he ...Hello Yvette - Well, I can't prove it, but he is definitely dubbed and I'm fairly sure it's a woman's voice (as is the usual practice when dubbing the voices of children). Great bit of cirss cross there that really made me chuckle as it's the sort of thing I do all the time re airprots and Oscars as it was Helen Hayes who got on a plane and won the Oscar for AIRPORT while Rutherford got stuck int he lounge due to fog and won it for THE VIPSs!Sergio (Tipping My Fedora)http://bloodymurder.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3185294584889963228.post-42315889818246014032012-02-23T13:12:39.241-05:002012-02-23T13:12:39.241-05:00Yeah, I know what you mean, Carol.
Wow.
But she...Yeah, I know what you mean, Carol.<br /><br />Wow. <br /><br />But she rose above it all to do such wonderful work on film. And she had a happy marriage, a man devoted to her for many years.Yvettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08919246184376538331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3185294584889963228.post-75179340466526202452012-02-23T13:04:21.919-05:002012-02-23T13:04:21.919-05:00Picky: That might be a fun thing to do. Watch them...Picky: That might be a fun thing to do. Watch them one after the other, I mean. Hmmmm.....You've given me an idea. :)Yvettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08919246184376538331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3185294584889963228.post-25294659550531458522012-02-23T12:57:47.701-05:002012-02-23T12:57:47.701-05:00Sergio: I didn't know that Ronnie's voice ...Sergio: I didn't know that Ronnie's voice was dubbed? It certainly doesn't look like it. I watched the film again last night just to watch the lip syncing.<br /><br />Are you sure? Could his real voice have been so bad? Or did they have sound problems?<br /><br />Anyway, I'm lining up MURDER AT THE GALLOP since it is my second favorite of this series.<br /><br />I might also watch AIRPORT which I think is the film Rutherford won her Supporting Actress Oscar for.<br />Not sure though.Yvettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08919246184376538331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3185294584889963228.post-17159715536806984162012-02-23T12:54:48.256-05:002012-02-23T12:54:48.256-05:00Ryan, comparisons are useless, really. I've en...Ryan, comparisons are useless, really. I've enjoyed this film so much that I'm thinking I might have to get myself a permanent copy.<br /><br />I'm also going to see about getting MURDER AT THE GALLOP, my second favorite of this series, up on my queue.Yvettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08919246184376538331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3185294584889963228.post-65082558666491627662012-02-23T12:53:14.684-05:002012-02-23T12:53:14.684-05:00Exactly, Lucy. That's the only way to really e...Exactly, Lucy. That's the only way to really enjoy them. If you make comparisons then you'll overlook the joys of Margaret Rutherford.<br /><br />She was a wonder.Yvettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08919246184376538331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3185294584889963228.post-72070283964308230182012-02-23T12:52:15.025-05:002012-02-23T12:52:15.025-05:00Lauren: Isn't he adorable? Hard to imagine the...Lauren: Isn't he adorable? Hard to imagine them as a team in real life but they did, indeed, have a long marriage - until her death, actually.Yvettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08919246184376538331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3185294584889963228.post-9120198464312185912012-02-22T15:38:49.951-05:002012-02-22T15:38:49.951-05:00Thanks for posting about these. They're such ...Thanks for posting about these. They're such fun. Out of curiosity, I read Wikipedia's entry on Rutherford. Ye Gods!Carolnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3185294584889963228.post-48315888719234745682012-02-22T05:09:57.926-05:002012-02-22T05:09:57.926-05:00Great choice Yvette!
I recently re-watched this o...Great choice Yvette!<br /><br />I recently re-watched this one and really enjoyed it. I always thought "Murder at the Gallop" was possibly the best (and certanly the funniest) of the series but I may have to have a rethink. I did find it odd that they decided not to set it in St Mary Mead - most of the other changes are more or less understandable (although quite why Ronnie Raymond is dubbed throughout remains a mystery) but this deciision is just plain weird!<br /><br />Incidentally, June Whitfield, who played Miss Marple on radio for the BBC, recently starred in another BBC radio play as Margaret Rutherford, entitled "A Monstrous Vitality" and she was really affecting in it - and the relationship with her husband Stringer is wonderfully portrayed.<br /><br />And it's also a great looking movie, wonderfully photographed. And then there is the wonderfull theme tune by Ron Goodwin - 'jaunty' is the only word for it!<br /><br />The fourth one, "Murder Ahoy", the only one not based on a Christie book, is certainly the weakest.Sergio (Tipping My Fedora)http://bloodymurder.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3185294584889963228.post-11869173221253611392012-02-21T15:54:06.929-05:002012-02-21T15:54:06.929-05:00I really love these movies, even though as you say...I really love these movies, even though as you say, they're not exactly close to the books. <br /><br />I rented all these from Netflix a couple years ago and just watched one after another. Mr. Stringer is great too!pickyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01906861942472773405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3185294584889963228.post-41342139291879492152012-02-21T15:40:06.575-05:002012-02-21T15:40:06.575-05:00I think I've seen all of the Rutherford movies...I think I've seen all of the Rutherford movies when TCM played them back to back last year. I enjoyed them, but had to pretend that this was no Miss Marple I knew and loved. I ended up loving this version almost as much.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17786139533776263328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3185294584889963228.post-11350599930379914352012-02-21T13:44:13.694-05:002012-02-21T13:44:13.694-05:00I love Margaret Rutherford. I agree that you need...I love Margaret Rutherford. I agree that you need to watch the film independently of any idea that it is a Miss Marple adaptation and just enjoy her performanceSarah Janehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17530253746802487595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3185294584889963228.post-86890680188838024322012-02-21T12:39:58.704-05:002012-02-21T12:39:58.704-05:00This is such a fun movie! I caught it about a year...This is such a fun movie! I caught it about a year ago when it was on TCM. Mr. Stringer is so adorable. I think he's one of the best parts of the Margaret Rutherford adaptations.Lauren Hairstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18037717621464819611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3185294584889963228.post-28129620990143804792012-02-21T10:58:15.081-05:002012-02-21T10:58:15.081-05:00Thanks, Birdie. It's nice to hear from you on ...Thanks, Birdie. It's nice to hear from you on this sunny morning in February. <br /><br />This is my favorite of the Rutherford Marples as well. I don't blame Dame Agatha for not liking what showed up on the screen. But she put on a brave face. <br /><br />Helped, I'm sure by Rutherford's gruff charm. :)<br /><br />I actually sat through it twice and enjoyed myself immensely. But then, I'm not Agatha Christie. :)Yvettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08919246184376538331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3185294584889963228.post-52238773663994932942012-02-21T10:31:41.459-05:002012-02-21T10:31:41.459-05:00I LOVE this one! It's definitely the best of ...I LOVE this one! It's definitely the best of the series with Rutherford, although Murder Ahoy! is my second favorite, despite the fact that it has NO basis in the Christie canon.<br />Did you know that Christie HATED these productions, but she was polite and went to the set anyway. She met Rutherford and got along with her so well that she later dedicated a novel to her. <br />I've always loved the irony of Joan Hickson having a bit part in Murder She Said. I find it especially fun because Christie later asked her specially if she would play Marple. <br />Thank you for a big smile this morning!<br />BirdieBirdiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16850833262363051091noreply@blogger.com